Posts regarding ‘Cordwood’

Experience Cordwood Living in Quebec, Canada

November 28th, 2012 by Strongwood
Sandy & Angelika Clidaras built their cordwood dream home near Montreal, Quebec in the early 2000′s and wrote about it in a blog and authored articles in the Cordwood Conference Papers 2005 and 2011.  Sandy even came and spoke at the 2005 Conference in Merrril, WI.  He has helped many wannabe cordwood builders with advice and assistance.  A wonderful vacation is  a phone call away.  Sandy was super helpful in giving directions on using closed cell foam for insulation for the White Earth Cordwood Home.
The Cordstead near Montreal, Quebec, Canada is offering an experience in cordwood living.
He and his lovely wife have now opened up their home and cordwood buildings as a form of  ”see what it’s like to live in a  cordwood setting.”    Here is how Sandy explains it:
The Cordstead overlooks a pretty lake and has many fine views of the surrounding area.
“We’ve been very busy with our final detailing of the Cordstead (our retirement Cordwood Dream Home) and now have the last phase of our Cordwood building ” Littlestead” completed.
Enjoy your breakfast in the beautiful dining area and see what a round cordwood home “feels” like.
With Littlestead complete, we have the opportunity to offer folks who are considering to build with Cordwood
the possibility to experience a short term stay in a Cordwood home environment. This may be an important experience to help future Cordwoodies decide if the Cordwood building journey is suited for them.The Cordstead is located near Montreal, Quebec, Canada
For those interested in this experience more details are available on our site
Take the paddle boat out for a ride or have a lovely breakfast on the lakeside lawn.
“The Cordstead”
Sandman
Thank you Sandy for sharing your wonderful homestead.
For more information on Cordwood Building including Sandy’s method of using blown-in foam for maximum r-value and the online cordwood bookstore, go to:
Cordwood Construction Best Practices
Richard Flatau, Flato@aol.com, Cordwood Construction, 715-212-2870 Cordwood online bookstore,
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Cordwood Home in Spartanburg, South Carolina

September 13th, 2012 by Strongwood

Luke and Amy Metzger have built a wonderful cordwood home in Spartanburg, SC.  They have a basement, a post and beam framework, an open ceiling and a loft area,  beautiful porches and more.  They offer the “wood-be” cordwood builder some great and timely tips.  I will use quotes from Luke’s emails to share his (and Amy’s) knowledge and wisdom.

Nice shade, porches, beautiful cordwood walls, post and beam framework.

The following are Luke’s words. “The house although only 4 years old is holding up well.  We used red cedar that was debarked and seasoned for 1-1/2 to 2 years. Only the largest of logs shrink in the winter…but only 1/32″ max…we heat with a wood stove. And when the spring returns the logs expand back. We have front and back covered porches and the gables have a 2′ overhang. This really protects the cordwood and was a really good decision with the rain and humidity of the south.”

The post and beam framework. The roof went on before the cordwood infill.

“What we did was complete the entire structure first.  This was was done for two reasons.  First, the building inspectors had never seen cordwood masonry and they wanted to ensure that the structure and the integrity of the house would be sufficient on its own….the cordwood would simply be an infill.  Of course the infill with the logs and mortar gave increased strength, but they were concerned none the less.  Second, since it was just me and Amy doing the building, it took us alot longer than conventional construction.  So by getting the structure up in the dry, we had a nice place to dry store the cordwood and it allowed us not to worry about rain as we worked on each infill section.”

Luke used a special method of inserting his floor joists so there would be no deflection.

“One other design detail was the basement:  I did not want the weight of the cordwood walls to sit on a joist system. I was afraid that the joists (cross grain) would move with humidity which might cause additional cracks in the lime morter over time.  So as you can see in the pics, I created pockets between the cinder blocks on the last course for the joists sit down in.  Therefore a 2×10 sill plate was anchored directly to the foundation falls….hence the entire weight of the cordwood falls directly on foundation and not on the joists.  The wall were 10″ thick.”

The cordwood was dried and then stacked under the roof and between the posts. Very smart because it keeps your wood and materials dry and under shelter.
Coming down the steps from the second floor gives one a birds eye view of the cordwood walls. The section to the top left is cordwood siding!

“The cordwood coming down the stairs on the gable ends were 1″ thick slices glued and screwed to the wall (cordwood siding).  We painted the wall with a sand and paint mixture to match the color of the lime mortar first. ”

They heat with wood and love the natural feel of their lovely home.
It doesn’t snow all that often in South Carolina, but when it does, it sure looks grand.

All pictures are courtesy of Luke and Amy Metzger.  Thank you for sharing your wonderful story of having a goal, planning for that goal and reaching it with a most excellent result.  Congratulations.

To find out more about Best Practices with cordwood construction go to: www.cordwoodconstruction.org

Happy Stacking,

Richard Flatau

If you have any questions, please contact me at Flato@aol.com or richardflatau@gmail.com    or call 715-212-2870

 

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Cordwood Construction: Best Practices 2012

March 5th, 2012 by Strongwood

The book Cordwood Construction: Best Practices is hot off the presses. It is written by long time cordwood builder Richard Flatau and is reported to be the most up-to-date tome on cordwood building.
Here are a few of the details.

Cordwood Construction: Best Practices

A log home building method using renewable resources
and time honored techniques (2012)

Authored by Richard Flatau

List Price: $25.00
8.5″ x 11″ (21.59 x 27.94 cm)
Full Color on White paper
196 pages
Cordwood Construction Resources
ISBN-13: 978-0615592701 (Custom Universal)
ISBN-10: 0615592708
BISAC: House & Home / Do-It-Yourself / General

259 color photos, diagrams and formulas will take the novice or experienced builder from house plans to cordwood home occupancy. Sections include: mortar mixes, R-values, code compliance, types of wood, drying wood, shrinkage tables, foundations, how we became mortgage-free, post & beam framing, formulas for estimating materials, homeowners insurance, Cordwood Conferences 2005 & 2011 summary, Best Practices with cordwood construction, lime putty mortar, cob, paper enhanced mortars, Permachinking walls, building codes, color photo album, making stained glass bottle ends, how-to “mortar-up” a cordwood wall, tuck pointing, FAQ’s, maintenance, weight of a cordwood wall, cost analysis, Cordwood Education Center, White Earth Reservation cordwood home, a condensed version of Cordwood Cabin is included (which is architecturally drawn and state code approved and now serves as a classroom for the local public school), 196 pages, and much, much more…

Here are two reviews of the book, one by Richard Freudenberger, editor of Backhome Magazine and the other by Rob Roy, Director of Earthwood Building School.

Excellent Up-to-Date Cordwood Reference May 8, 2012
By R. Freudenberger

This book by veteran cordwood builder and instructor Richard Flatau turns out to be one of the most comprehensive references available on cordwood construction. Flatau has put a lot of effort into the “Best Practices” studies, and as a result we all have the benefit of other builders’ experiences, much gleaned from his involement in organizing some of the large Cordwood Conferences held in the U.S. and Canada. All the basics are here as well for novice builders–foundations, framing, wood choices, mortar mixes, special effects, utility interfaces, and increasingly important code compliance. The book is full of illustrations, tables, a few floor plans, and lots and lots of good color photos. The bottom line is that cordwood masonry is cost-effective, energy-efficient, fire-resistant, and very sustainable…and it’s a perfect do-it-yourself endeavor for the owner-builder.
Book Review by Richard Freudenberger Editor of Backhome Magazine

Cordwood Construction: Best Practices … Richard Flatau CoCoCo/05 organizer (and long-time cordwood writer and builder) Richard Flatau has just published this new compendium, his best yet. True to its title, the author details “best practices” methods about cordwood masonry and its relationship to foundations, electrical considerations, energy codes and so much more. By themselves, two recent case studies (the Cordwood Education Center in Wisconsin and the Whole Earth Reservation Cordwood Home in Minnesota) are worth the price of this beautifully illustrated and meticulously documented work. 196 large 8.5″ by 11″ pages, including 259 color pictures and diagrams.
Book Review by Rob Roy Director of Earthwood Building School

Richard Flatau, Flato@aol.com, Cordwood Construction, 715-212-2870 Cordwood online bookstore,
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Cordwood Hobbit Style House with round door and living roof in Wisconsin

August 23rd, 2010 by Strongwood

Dan and Jessi P. built every hairy footed hobbit-fanciers dream home.  A 16 sided cordwood home (in Wisconsin,) complete with post and beam framework, living roof, masonry stove/heater/bake oven, stained concrete floor and a round, green hobbit door.

The work is artistic, attractive and very nicely done.  The bottle end  and cordwood walls are artistic, attractive and very well done.   The nasturiums on the floor add a touch of whimsy.

Here is a quote from Jessi’s blog.

“We’re proceeding apace with the walls, which look so lovely when they’re done – from a distance they look like stone. Labor intensive and messy, but beautiful. We also have the framework for the round green door done. So we’re looking hobbity!”

Jessi ends her emails with the following quote:

Not all who wander are lost.   J.R.R.Tolkien

Here is another quote from Jessi.

Subject: Cordwood House

Hi Richard – glad you like the looks of our place! All told, if you count the tree cutting/peeling summer, it took us about 5 years, but the actual cordwood stuff we squeezed into about two and half months – we started in October and laid up the last bit of wall the second week in December two years ago with the aid of much tarping and space heaters . It’s sixteen sided on a floating slab. The logs are 18 inches with loose fill insulation in the cavity. They are a mix of hemlock, spruce, and red pine which we took for the most part off the property. Our masonry heater was done by Gimme Shelter Construction over by you and then faced by a local mason, Wayne Kostka. Don was partially right in his comment – even on the coldest days this winter we were comfy with two fires a day, and it has stayed cool enough this summer that we haven’t bothered to move the window air con over from our old house. The roof is 6-8 inches of dirt over an Enkadrain drainage layer. Sedum we put in last fall has spread nicely and we put in another couple pounds of cuttings this summer, so in a few years when we’ve worn out the weeds it should be a nice low maintenance roof. All the rain we’ve had this year has given it a good test

To Jessi & Dan:

Kudos, congrats and thank you for sharing your wonderful cordwood home.

Richard Flatau

Cordwood Construction Building School

flato@aol.com

715-212-2870                715-536-3195

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Firewood: Don’t Burn It, Build With It

April 22nd, 2010 by Clarke

This article by Clarke Snell was originally published in the New Life Journal.

Western North Carolina is becoming an incubator for green and natural building. As far as green building goes, homes built to Healthy Built Home standards have skyrocketed. We’re also well stocked with the latest cutting edge technologies and building concepts. For example though they were rare only five or ten years ago, you pretty much can’t shake a stick without hitting a hydronic in-floor heating system these days. Solar hot water is WAY back in, too, I’m happy to say. On the natural building side, it’s a real smorgasbord around here. We’ve got a number of code approved straw bale houses in several area counties. I know of two Earthships (a housing system that uses old tires packed with dirt as the wall system) in good old Madison County for god’s sake. We’ve got some cob, adobe, clay-slip straw, and the other earth/straw permutations around, too, though they seem to be more often built below the code radar than not. Conspicuously absent from our collection has been cordwood construction….until now. Toby Crawley and Maria Muscarella are nearing completion on a code approved cordwood house in Leicester. Let’s check it out.

What is Cordwood Construction?

Cordwood is firewood: air-dried, unmilled wood cut to length. Cordwood construction (often called “cordwood masonry”) is a technique for building walls with firewood. In the most basic approach, sticks of wood are placed in two beds of mortar separated by a space, usually several inches wide, which is then filled with some kind of loose insulation such as sawdust or vermiculite. (PHOTO). There are many possible mortar mixes. One popular mix contains sand, wet sawdust, lime, and Portland cement. Another uses lime and sand. Another paper pulp. Yet another simply clay, sand, and straw (cob). Cordwood walls can be designed to carry roof loads or they can be installed in combination with some form of post and beam structure. Since wood can shrink or swell, species and drying time are variables that are often debated by cordwood enthusiasts.

Cordwood Pros, Cons, and Performance

Pros: If you live in the forest, then the main advantage of cordwood is obvious: it’s an abundant, locally available, affordable building material. If you choose to go with a cob mortar and sawdust insulation, you could collect almost all of your wall volume from your building site. That’s saying something these days! In addition, laying cordwood requires only basic tools and simple skills. Once laid, cordwood walls require no additional finish such as drywall or wallpaper with sea shells on it. (Note: I’m only talking about the cordwood portion of the construction here. You still need a foundation, window and door framing, a roof system, heating and cooling strategies and systems, and all the other things that make a house a complex animal.)

Cons: Laying cordwood is a lot of hard, physical work. It also takes a lot of forethought in terms of cutting and drying the wood. (It’s a good idea to let cut and split wood air-dry under cover for at least a year before using in a wall.) In addition, the exposed end-grain of each piece of wood facing toward the exterior is susceptible to water infiltration and therefore mold, insects, and other damaging forces. Good design such as a proper foundation and good roof overhangs can go a long way to solving this issue. For me, perhaps the main functional cordwood con is wood shrinkage which can cause gaps and cracks that lead to air infiltration and even separation of cordwood from the mortar.

Performance: Comparing cordwood’s thermal performance to a more conventional wall system is difficult to generalize and beyond the scope of this column. However, I will say that since cordwood is made on site, it’s thermal performance can be adjusted to suit the specifics of the house project it is serving. The thicker the wall, the better it will resist the flow of heat, so you can theoretically generate the performance you need by adjusting wall thickness. In colder climates, an option for increasing thermal performance is double wall cordwood masonry, a system employing two cordwood walls separated by a space filled with insulation. Wood is both a decent insulator and a good thermal mass, so it is competent at both resisting heat flow and holding heat. Another potential performance plus for cordwood is it’s hygroscopic nature…it’s ability to take on and give off water vapor in response to changes in humidity levels. This trait theoretically helps wood to balance indoor humidity levels and therefore potentially improve indoor air quality.

Toby and Maria’s House

As someone who has been hangin’ around the natural building water cooler for a number of years, I have to say that I’m always skeptical when I hear about the next wave of novice owner builders taking a shot at home construction. Sometimes it works out great and sometimes…well it’s a disaster. I’m happy to report that Toby and Maria are doing a good job and look like they are going to make it through intact. In my opinion, their secret to success has been (1) an initially somewhat realistic budget and (2) the financial flexibility to go well over their initially somewhat realistic budget.

After doing their research and checking out a variety of options, Toby and Maria chose cordwood over other “natural” building options because they thought they could muster the skills and reasoned that cordwood could pass code in the area. This turned out to be true probably mainly because they chose a post and beam structure with cordwood infill. The post and beam construction was stamped by a structural engineer leaving the cordwood infill with no official structural role. They cut cordwood from poplar harvested on their property and bought most of the rest of the framing lumber from a local mill. They salvaged hardwood floor from a dumpster (it looks great!) and bought most of their doors and windows from Habitat for Humanity.

The approximately 1,400 square foot building is 16-sided and roughly circular. It will have a living roof planted with sedums. The north section of the first floor and the small second floor are wood framed and insulated with Icynene spray foam leaving roughly the east, south, and west areas of the first floor in cordwood. Though they are hooked up to and existing well and septic system and have a flush toilet, Toby, Maria and family plan to continue using their sawdust toilet and composting their humanure for use in the garden. (Yeah, baby! See my rant against flush toilets in other of my writings or just stop me on the street to get an earful.) They have hydronic in-floor heating fed only by solar collectors, i.e. there is no boiler back-up and therefore no petroleum based fuel input. The back-up heat source is a high efficiency wood stove. Last, but not least, they are using Earthpaint finishes throughout the building. (If you don’t know about local paint and finish manufacturer, Earthpaint, get with it already!)

If you want more information, Toby and Maria have graciously agreed to supply a contact email address (tcrawley@gmail.com). They still have some cordwood to lay, so get in on the next cordwood party! As for me, I’m always looking to deepen my knowledge of the local natural and extreme green building scene, so don’t hesitate to send me leads and contact info for interesting projects at clarke@thinkgreenbuilding.com. Until next month, keep it green.

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Cordwood Education Center on the cover of Backhome Magazine Jan/Feb 2010

February 5th, 2010 by Strongwood

There is a fine photo of a team of Percheron’s pulling a sleigh on February 14, 2009 in northern Wisconsin on the cover of Backhome Magazine (which is published in Hendersonville, NC.)
www.backhomemagazine.com

The Cordwood Education Center in Merrill, WI

The Cordwood Education Center in Merrill, WI

There is a 3 page article entitled Community Constructed Cordwood which details the volunteer labor used to build and then donate this 850 sq. ft. building to the local school system. The cordwood building is constructed using Best Practices and Energy Star Guidelines.  There is more information at

http://www.daycreek.com/dc/html/cordwood_education_center.html

To read the complete article go to:     http://www.daycreek.com/dc/pdf/Backhome_104.pdf

A recycled bottle end (stained glass) wall at the Cordwood Center.

A recycled bottle end (stained glass) wall at the Cordwood Center.

Richard Flatau

Cordwood Construction Resources

Merrill, WI

flato@aol.com

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White Earth Reservation Cordwood home

November 17th, 2009 by Strongwood
Built by Bill Paulson

Cordwood Bear Paw for Native American owner

In the spring of 2008 the Midwest Minnesota Community Development Corporation made contact, to inquire as to the possibility of building a cordwood home on the White Earth Reservation in NW Minnesota (50 miles east of Fargo, ND). The original idea was to build a daycare and early childhood center and a home, but, for various reasons the home came first.

Anishinaabeg Cordwood Crew 09

Anishinaabeg Cordwood Crew

After many, many months of consultation and conversation, we were on our way to Naytahwaush to begin construction on September 22, 2009. The General Contractor, Robert Zahorski of Clearwater Building and Design was ready with the foundation (radiant in floor heat in a sand bed, using off peak electric hours—3 cents a KW); post and beam cedar frame, 12/12 pitch roof with 2 large bedrooms and a half bath and storage (shingled), a well, a mortar mixer, mortaring supplies and power!) What a great guy to juggle all these parts of the project.
The Native American Group Leader Bill, had been working to gather a cordwood masonry crew. Bill is a very talented individual with a skill set that defies description. Needless to say, he and Robert became our confidants and close friends. We are grateful for time we shared with them and the crew. The staff at MMCDC was most excellent in providing everything needed to make this a success.

1700 sq. ft. cordwood home in Naytahwaush, MN

1700 sq. ft. cordwood home in Naytahwaush, MN

There is a link that explains more about the home and the project.   http://www.daycreek.com/dc/asp/forum2002/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=2&TopicID=2058&PagePosition=1 The plan is to build 5 more next summer.   There was an interview about the cordwood home on Minnesota Public radio.  That link is at the bottom of the first link.    Give a look-back at the daycreek link (above) as the building progresses.  There is a bottle end medicine wheel built into the wall and a feather in addition to the bear paw.

Richard & Becky Flatau
Cordwood Construction Resources LLC
W4837 Schulz Spur Dr
Merrill, WI 54452

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www.daycreek.com/flatau
715-212-2870
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Cordwood Maintenance

September 15th, 2009 by Strongwood

This posting concerns Cordwood Maintenance, specifically about log loosening.  Air infltration is not a good thing to have in a cordwood home (or any home for that matter), but sometimes a log loosens in the wall.  There is a most excellent remedy for log loosening out there in ‘log home land.’   Permachink (and Log Jam) are water based, acrylic co-polymers that are easily applied to the mortar and wood.  They are elastic and  move with the log ends as the seasons change.  Orignally designed to be used for chinking on horizontal log cabins, Permachink and log Jam work wonders to eliminate air infiltration in a cordwood home.  See www.permachink.com and www.sashco.com for further information on their products.

This posting is taken from the most wonderful blogsite My Amazing House by Maria & Toby  http://tobiascrawley.net/house/ There is a co-joined blog site about all things herbal and home by Maria called Dirt Under My Nails http://dirtundermynails.com/ Both are very good reads.   Positive, earth affirming and energetic.

Here is their latest post.

Winterizing
September 9th, 2009
This weekend we got started on the project we’ve been dreading for the last year… winterizing the house. With a cordwood house, there is a lot of shrinking in the wood that goes on the first year. So, after the first winter, you need to go back and seal the nooks and crannies that have opened up. We weren’t looking forward to this large amount of detail work.

Well, I’m happy to say that it’s not nearly as bad as we thought it would be!

We purchased some Permachink (a sealant often used on log homes) from a dealer not too far from us. It comes in huge tubes that you squeeze onto the wall. Toby would squeeze the ‘caulk’ around each log end and I would go behind him and smooth it out. The color is an exact match to the white of our walls… unfortunately, the lower part of the exterior walls has some red mud splash back from the rain… so the caulk really stands out here. I figure I’ll get Kaia to go splash in puddles near the house next time it rains and that caulk should be nice and dirty in no time

permachink on left, none on right

Smoothing it out

We were able to do almost 2 sections (out of eight) this past weekend (with many interruptions!) So, we will hopefully be able to finish this in a few weekends. Then, it’s on to the chicken coop!

Thank you Maria & Toby.

Richard Flatau
Cordwood Construction Resources, LLC
W4837 Schulz Spur Dr
Merrill, WI 54452

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www.daycreek.com/flatau
715-212-2870

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Cordwood Workshop

August 23rd, 2009 by Strongwood

Taking a cordwood workshop is one of the best ways to learn the ins & outs of cordwood masonry construction. Valuable information is passed on, questions and answer sessions are important to cement down cordwood concepts and the hands on portion becomes the bread and butter of how to build a cordwood building.

The host & family with timber frame mallet

The host & family with timber frame mallet

The interaction between attendees is not to be overlooked. At our last workshop we had a doctor, lawyer, judge, police officer, vet, pianist, three general contractors, three teachers, a factory worker, a biker and a host of homemakers. The give and take was amazing. Friendships were formed and a cordwood blog group was organized to help keep in touch.
Here is a link to the workshop in Custer, WI. The project was the cordwood infill of a Colonial Hall & Parlor style timberframe which was modeled after the first timberframe home in the US. The cordwood infill was 17″ northern white cedar with a Lime Putty Mortar mix. Lime Putty Mortar uses only sand and Type S builders lime which has been hydrated for 5 days. Similar to how the good ol Roman’s built their buildings.
http://www.daycreek.com/dc/asp/forum2002/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=2&TopicID=2036&PagePosition=1
We will be teaching a cordwood workshop in Hendersonville, NC on Oct. 10-11, 2009 at the home of the editor of Backhome Magazine. The project will be the 18″ cordwood infilling of a post and beam frame greenhouse. The link to the registration form is athttp://daycreek.com/dc/pdf/Cordwood%20Workshop%20Asheville,%20NC%202009.pdf
Richard Flatau
Cordwood Construction Resources, LLC
W4837 Schulz Spur Dr
Merrill, WI 54452

flato@aol.com
www.daycreek.com/flatau
715-212-2870

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The Colonial Hall & Parlor Timber Frame using Tamarack & Pine

The Colonial Hall & Parlor Timber Frame using 18 ' Tamarack & Pine

The diverse and intelligent crew at the Custer, WI Cordwood Workshop in August 2009

The diverse and intelligent crew at the Custer, WI Cordwood Workshop in August 2009

Timber frame with stackwall corners using lime putty mortar & cedar

Timber frame with stackwall corners using lime putty mortar & cedar. Anne takes a break after a hard days cordwooding.

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Cordwood House Plans on www.daycreek.com

July 24th, 2009 by Strongwood

One of my favorite websites for information on Cordwood Construction is www.daycreek.com

Daycreek.com not only has cordwood photos, literature and articles on cordwood from major magazines, but it also has a Forum to share and  ask & answer questions.
Recently a couple from St. Cloud, Minnesota posted some drawings and pictures of a state of the art cordwood home they are building.
If you are interested, check it out at the following link.
http://www.daycreek.com/dc/asp/forum2002/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=2&TopicID=1997&PagePosition=1

Happy Trails,
Richard Flatau
Cordwood Construction Resources
W4837 Schulz Spur Dr
Merrill, WI 54452

flato@aol.com
www.daycreek.com/flatau
715-212-2870

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